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Subject: ICD
From: Ralf Forsberg ####@####.####
Date: 15 Nov 2002 12:06:00 -0000
Message-Id: <20021115120041.GA3268@home.se>

Hello,

I am about to build an ICD (can't afford to buy one at the moment).

The plan is to start with the source in icdprog and try to work
out how to simulate with the ICD using MPLAB as the reference. 
I'm hoping that this will lead to ICD support in gpsim.

I get indications that the ICD will be discontinued in favor of
the ICD2, so the ICD2 would be the better choice. Also the ICD2
has USB which gives better transfer rates, and has support for
the 18x chips. The USB chip that is used (FTDI), I have learned has
Linux drivers! So I imagine that you can just select a virtual serial
port in order to use the USB for the ICD2.

Does anyone know if there are schematics of the ICD2 somewhere?

Another thought is that IIRC the protocol used by the ICD is 
ascii-based. Do you imagine it would be possible to code new
firmware that uses a tighter protocol? It wouldn't be compatible
with MPLAB, but it would be faster and there would be no need for
reverse engineering. There is a DS51242A that have some information
about this, but it does not look complete?

 / Ralf

Subject: Re: ICD
From: "Niklas Wennerstrand" ####@####.####
Date: 15 Nov 2002 20:22:05 -0000
Message-Id: <000101c28ce3$f6ffa890$26a840d5@HAL>

Hello Ralf,
The FTDI chip is not used in the ICD2 if I have read right on the
piclist.
It has accordingly to someone that has opened the ICD2 a cypress USB
chip.

The FTDI chip is quite nice to use if you want to build an ICD2
yourself.
Maybe Microchip is willing to share their ICD2 USB commands but I doubt
it.
Even if you have the information on their device driver for USB under
windoze you will have problem implement it under linux.
USB is quite tricky to do, far more complex than straight forwads rs232.
But with the FTDI drivers for linux you can get fast communication to
your design. Its like rs232 but fast. (USB support under linux took
several kernel versions to get there so take that as a measurement on
its complexity)

If you want Microchip ICD2 to work under linux with Microchip USB
firmware in the cypress chip then you have to have a USB analyser
snooping the messages and a USB analyser is not something that ordinary
mortals can afford.

The ideal would be to make Microchip ICD2 work under linux but to do
that without Microchips help is almost impossible.

Maybe some one here sees this as a challenge and proves me wrong?

But as ICD2 also have rs232 I would start there and after that figure
out the USB alternative later on.

If yo do not plan to get support for Microchip ICD2 under gpsim you can
build your own ICD2 with a fast FTDI chip as an alternative and still
get it quite "simple".

The ICD commands to the actual 16F87X have even been on Microchips
website but I have not seen any information on the 18FXXX devices yet
and as they program different than 16F87X in general I would suspect
that the ICD handling differs as well. You would need to know that as
well so that all PIC can be supported.

You will probably need the collective knowledge on this community to
finish the project. But if you do get the ICD2 to work under gpsim it
would be really nice.

Regards
Niklas





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Hello,

I am about to build an ICD (can't afford to buy one at the moment).

The plan is to start with the source in icdprog and try to work
out how to simulate with the ICD using MPLAB as the reference. 
I'm hoping that this will lead to ICD support in gpsim.

I get indications that the ICD will be discontinued in favor of
the ICD2, so the ICD2 would be the better choice. Also the ICD2
has USB which gives better transfer rates, and has support for
the 18x chips. The USB chip that is used (FTDI), I have learned has
Linux drivers! So I imagine that you can just select a virtual serial
port in order to use the USB for the ICD2.

Does anyone know if there are schematics of the ICD2 somewhere?

Another thought is that IIRC the protocol used by the ICD is 
ascii-based. Do you imagine it would be possible to code new
firmware that uses a tighter protocol? It wouldn't be compatible
with MPLAB, but it would be faster and there would be no need for
reverse engineering. There is a DS51242A that have some information
about this, but it does not look complete?

 / Ralf


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Subject: Re: ICD
From: Ralf Forsberg ####@####.####
Date: 16 Nov 2002 17:02:17 -0000
Message-Id: <20021116165652.GA483@home.se>

On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 09:16:54PM +0100, Niklas Wennerstrand wrote:
> Hello Ralf,
> The FTDI chip is not used in the ICD2 if I have read right on the
> piclist.
> It has accordingly to someone that has opened the ICD2 a cypress USB
> chip.

Ok. My bad.

 / Ralf

Subject: Re: ICD
From: Ralf Forsberg ####@####.####
Date: 16 Nov 2002 17:13:05 -0000
Message-Id: <20021116170742.GA586@home.se>

On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 09:16:54PM +0100, Niklas Wennerstrand wrote:
> 
> If you want Microchip ICD2 to work under linux with Microchip USB
> firmware in the cypress chip then you have to have a USB analyser
> snooping the messages and a USB analyser is not something that ordinary
> mortals can afford.

I found this:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/usbsnoop/

I have no idea if it would work. Perhaps someone with a ICD2 could 
try it out.

 / Ralf

Subject: Re: ICD
From: Alessandro Zummo ####@####.####
Date: 17 Nov 2002 11:38:36 -0000
Message-Id: <yam9086.1456.143559448@mail.galactica.it>

 On 16-Nov-02 at 18:07:42,
  Ralf Forsberg ####@####.#### wrote:


> On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 09:16:54PM +0100, Niklas Wennerstrand wrote:
>> 
>> If you want Microchip ICD2 to work under linux with Microchip USB
>> firmware in the cypress chip then you have to have a USB analyser
>> snooping the messages and a USB analyser is not something that ordinary
>> mortals can afford.

> I found this:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/usbsnoop/

> I have no idea if it would work. Perhaps someone with a ICD2 could 
> try it out.

usbsnoop is a very useful software, but doesn't work
on every version of windows. i used it succesfully to develop
a Linux driver.. i think i was running winblows 95 at that time.

my opinion is that Microchip tunnelled on USB
the same protocol used on the serial cable.. it's a quite
common option.

If this is the case, i could write the necessary support in
the kernel to expose the ICD to the userland.

To start, we need someone with an ICD2 and a Linux
machine to provide us with some useful data:

  cat /proc/bus/usb 
or
  lsusb.

-- 

  - alex.


Subject: Re: ICD
From: Barry Gershenfeld ####@####.####
Date: 18 Nov 2002 21:04:34 -0000
Message-Id: <2.2.16.20021118130019.6b27401a@zmicro.com>

>To start, we need someone with an ICD2 and a Linux
>machine to provide us with some useful data:
>
>  cat /proc/bus/usb 
>or
>  lsusb.
>  - alex.

I can do that.  I got the ICD2 when they first came out so I didn't
know if the firmware inside would be relevant.  Then I thought,
it's probably a hardware thing, so just try it.

Sorry for the length; I didn't know what to leave out.

Barry


## Results of plugging in the device.

# usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x4d8/0x8000) is not claimed by any active
driver.

## Results of ls -lR /proc/bus/usb

/proc/bus/usb/:
total 0
dr-xr-xr-x    1 root     root            0 Nov 14 18:13 001
-r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Nov 17 16:36 devices
-r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Nov 17 16:36 drivers

/proc/bus/usb/001:
total 1
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root           18 Nov 17 16:37 001
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root           18 Nov 17 16:37 002

## 001 and 002 above are small binary files

## contents of 'drivers'

         usbdevfs
         hub

## contents of 'devices'

T:  Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=12  MxCh= 2
B:  Alloc=  0/900 us ( 0%), #Int=  0, #Iso=  0
D:  Ver= 1.00 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=0000 ProdID=0000 Rev= 0.00
S:  Product=USB UHCI Root Hub
S:  SerialNumber=ece0
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr=  0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   8 Ivl=255ms
T:  Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  2 Spd=12  MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=04d8 ProdID=8000 Rev= 0.01
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=100mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 0 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 1 #EPs=13 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=  16 Ivl= 10ms
E:  Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=  0ms
E:  Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=  0ms
E:  Ad=84(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=  0ms
E:  Ad=04(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=  0ms
E:  Ad=86(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=  0ms
E:  Ad=06(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=  0ms
E:  Ad=88(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS=  16 Ivl=  1ms
E:  Ad=08(O) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS=  16 Ivl=  1ms
E:  Ad=89(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS=  16 Ivl=  1ms
E:  Ad=09(O) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS=  16 Ivl=  1ms
E:  Ad=8a(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS=  16 Ivl=  1ms
E:  Ad=0a(O) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS=  16 Ivl=  1ms
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 2 #EPs=13 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=  64 Ivl= 10ms
E:  Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=  0ms
E:  Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=  0ms
E:  Ad=84(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=  0ms
E:  Ad=04(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=  0ms
E:  Ad=86(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=  0ms
E:  Ad=06(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=  0ms
E:  Ad=88(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS= 256 Ivl=  1ms
E:  Ad=08(O) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS= 256 Ivl=  1ms
E:  Ad=89(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS=  16 Ivl=  1ms
E:  Ad=09(O) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS=  16 Ivl=  1ms
E:  Ad=8a(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS=  16 Ivl=  1ms
E:  Ad=0a(O) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS=  16 Ivl=  1ms


## Results of lsusb

Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Virtual Hub
Device Descriptor:
  bLength                18
  bDescriptorType         1
  bcdUSB               1.00
  bDeviceClass            9 Hub
  bDeviceSubClass         0 
  bDeviceProtocol         0 
  bMaxPacketSize0         8
  idVendor           0x0000 Virtual
  idProduct          0x0000 Hub
  bcdDevice            0.00
  iManufacturer           0 
  iProduct                2 USB UHCI Root Hub
  iSerial                 1 ece0
  bNumConfigurations      1
  Configuration Descriptor:
    bLength                 9
    bDescriptorType         2
    wTotalLength           25
    bNumInterfaces          1
    bConfigurationValue     1
    iConfiguration          0
    bmAttributes         0x40
      Self Powered
    MaxPower                0mA
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           1
      bInterfaceClass         9 Hub
      bInterfaceSubClass      0 
      bInterfaceProtocol      0 
      iInterface              0 
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
        bmAttributes            3
          Transfer Type            Interrupt
          Synch Type               none
        wMaxPacketSize          8
        bInterval             255
  Language IDs: (length=4)
     0000 (null)((null))

Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04d8:8000 Microchip Technology Inc. 
  Language IDs: none (invalid length string descriptor 02; len=2)
Device Descriptor:
  bLength                18
  bDescriptorType         1
  bcdUSB               1.10
  bDeviceClass          255 Vendor Specific Class
  bDeviceSubClass       255 Vendor Specific Subclass
  bDeviceProtocol       255 Vendor Specific Protocol
  bMaxPacketSize0        64
  idVendor           0x04d8 Microchip Technology Inc.
  idProduct          0x8000 
  bcdDevice            0.01
  iManufacturer           0 
  iProduct                0 
  iSerial                 0 
  bNumConfigurations      1
  Configuration Descriptor:
    bLength                 9
    bDescriptorType         2
    wTotalLength          218
    bNumInterfaces          1
    bConfigurationValue     1
    iConfiguration          0
    bmAttributes         0x80
    MaxPower              100mA
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           0
      bInterfaceClass       255 Vendor Specific Class
      bInterfaceSubClass    255 Vendor Specific Subclass
      bInterfaceProtocol    255 Vendor Specific Protocol
      iInterface              0 
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       1
      bNumEndpoints          13
      bInterfaceClass       255 Vendor Specific Class
      bInterfaceSubClass    255 Vendor Specific Subclass
      bInterfaceProtocol    255 Vendor Specific Protocol
      iInterface              0 
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
        bmAttributes            3
          Transfer Type            Interrupt
          Synch Type               none
        wMaxPacketSize         16
        bInterval              10
      Endpoint Descriptor:
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        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x82  EP 2 IN
        bmAttributes            2
          Transfer Type            Bulk
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        wMaxPacketSize         64
        bInterval               0
      Endpoint Descriptor:
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        bEndpointAddress     0x02  EP 2 OUT
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Subject: Re: ICD
From: "benny k." ####@####.####
Date: 19 Nov 2002 01:18:05 -0000
Message-Id: <20021119012609.GF22088@bagu.org>

On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 12:31:29PM +0100, Alessandro Zummo wrote:

> usbsnoop is a very useful software, but doesn't work
> on every version of windows. i used it succesfully to develop
> a Linux driver.. i think i was running winblows 95 at that time.

i found that snoopyPro (available at the same site) was a little nicer 
to use. i had problems with win98se but managed to get it working with
winME. if somebody does decide to go snooping about, i can give them a
mini-explanation of the snoopyPro output. it took me a little while to
get my head around it b/c of the lack of documentation. i guess this
should happen off the list b/c its not really related to the topic.

> If this is the case, i could write the necessary support in
> the kernel to expose the ICD to the userland.

what about using libusb (http://libusb.sourceforge.net/)?

ben
Subject: Re: ICD
From: Alessandro Zummo ####@####.####
Date: 19 Nov 2002 02:15:20 -0000
Message-Id: <yam9088.126.143572208@mail.galactica.it>

 On 18-Nov-02 at 21:46:33,
  Barry Gershenfeld ####@####.#### wrote:


>> To start, we need someone with an ICD2 and a Linux
>> machine to provide us with some useful data:
>> 
>>  cat /proc/bus/usb 
>> or
>>  lsusb.
>>  - alex.

> I can do that.  I got the ICD2 when they first came out so I didn't
> know if the firmware inside would be relevant.  Then I thought,
> it's probably a hardware thing, so just try it.

> Sorry for the length; I didn't know what to leave out.

[...]


WoW! With so many endpoints this ICD would be difficult to address
even with all the required specs..

i wonder if microchip really uses all of them.

-- 

  - alex.


Subject: Re: ICD
From: "Eric Smith" ####@####.####
Date: 23 Nov 2002 00:57:58 -0000
Message-Id: <1620.4.20.168.135.1038012732.squirrel@ruckus.brouhaha.com>

> Also the ICD2
> has USB which gives better transfer rates, and has support for
> the 18x chips. The USB chip that is used (FTDI), I have learned has
> Linux drivers! So I imagine that you can just select a virtual serial
> port in order to use the USB for the ICD2.

FTDI?  My ICD2 has a Cypress chip.  Or does FTDI just resell Cypress parts
with custom firmware?



Subject: Re: ICD
From: Ralf Forsberg ####@####.####
Date: 23 Nov 2002 17:49:49 -0000
Message-Id: <20021123174356.GA467@home.se>

On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:52:12PM -0800, Eric Smith wrote:
> > Also the ICD2
> > has USB which gives better transfer rates, and has support for
> > the 18x chips. The USB chip that is used (FTDI), I have learned has
> > Linux drivers! So I imagine that you can just select a virtual serial
> > port in order to use the USB for the ICD2.
> 
> FTDI?  My ICD2 has a Cypress chip.  Or does FTDI just resell Cypress parts
> with custom firmware?

Yes I got the chips mixed up, but Niklas corrected me.

 / Ralf

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