gnupic: Thread: Jal : Pascal like high-level language for PIC ? evaluated

Firstly, many thanks to the poster of:
http://www.picemulator.com/links.html
   which led to:
JAL compiler
         is a free, open-source high-level language for PIC chips.
         It is becomming increasing popular.
 http://www.voti.nl/jal/

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Digression: Collaborative project have potentially great benefits for all 
fair-playing contributors, via the same mechanisms as free-trade.
As there are many persons who don't understand free-trade,
apparently also some don't understand that if I've got 
Charlie Brown's tel-no, I should not write to you "phone Charlie Brown",
without including the number - hence saving you [and the team
and ME] perhaps 2 hours searching for the number.  Digression end.
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Someone recently mentioned their 'Ada-like-syntax' project ?
This JAL compiler [above] has I nice syntax [unfortunately source is not
available], and it's mature:-
>     The Jallist (a mailing list) at Yahoo!Groups has (may 2001) 181
>      members who can answer all kinds of questions (often better than I
>      could) and are interested to read your experiences.

Have any readers tried/tested it yet ?

I'd like to compare the generated code with eg. picforth.

My progress with picforth has unfortunately been halted, 
as the originator/owner  won't comply with collaborative project
convention [raison d'etre] of minimising total effort.

The extract below, gives the ideas, in stronger words than I would 
choose.

In alt.os.linux Paul Becker ####@####.#### wrote:
> ...
> I don't want to mention a name here although this 
> guy really pissed me off by not detailing the 
> requirements for his program. Oh, he hinted at 
> what was required but I had to compile the f'n 
> thing 2 dozen times and then track down each error 
> and discover on my own which packages were 
> required. This a-hole wouldn't even respond to my 
> request for help. Here's a quote from his page, 
> "You also have to install the devel packages for 
> the various libraries used by PROGNAME(removed to 
> protect the obtuse individual) (glibc-devel, 
> libjpeg-devel, ...)" Nice list of requirements, 
> eh? "Various libraries," and "..."! What the hell 
> is the big secret? Jesus H! Would it kill this guy 
> to paste the requirements into the README or his 
> webpage or somewhere? There is NO excuse for that!

> I just shake my head and say, "what an asshole"!

Admittedly, the initiation of the mailing-list and Wiki is a potential
massive production booster to the picforth project - if it reaches
critical mass.

== Chris Glur.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/jal/

I've never seen any need for jpg libs to build or use JAL.

BTW the version at the nl site is old.  If you want any support use the 
sourceforge on, and be sure to not mix and match versions of compiler with 
versions of the jal libraries.

--mgross

On Monday 09 February 2004 12:36 pm, ####@####.#### wrote:
> Firstly, many thanks to the poster of:
> http://www.picemulator.com/links.html
>    which led to:
> JAL compiler
>          is a free, open-source high-level language for PIC chips.
>          It is becomming increasing popular.
>  http://www.voti.nl/jal/
>
>  ------------
> Digression: Collaborative project have potentially great benefits for all
> fair-playing contributors, via the same mechanisms as free-trade.
> As there are many persons who don't understand free-trade,
> apparently also some don't understand that if I've got
> Charlie Brown's tel-no, I should not write to you "phone Charlie Brown",
> without including the number - hence saving you [and the team
> and ME] perhaps 2 hours searching for the number.  Digression end.
>  ------------
>
> Someone recently mentioned their 'Ada-like-syntax' project ?
> This JAL compiler [above] has I nice syntax [unfortunately source is not
> available], and it's mature:-
>
> >     The Jallist (a mailing list) at Yahoo!Groups has (may 2001) 181
> >      members who can answer all kinds of questions (often better than I
> >      could) and are interested to read your experiences.
>
> Have any readers tried/tested it yet ?
>
> I'd like to compare the generated code with eg. picforth.
>
> My progress with picforth has unfortunately been halted,
> as the originator/owner  won't comply with collaborative project
> convention [raison d'etre] of minimising total effort.
>
> The extract below, gives the ideas, in stronger words than I would
> choose.
>
> In alt.os.linux Paul Becker ####@####.#### wrote:
> > ...
> > I don't want to mention a name here although this
> > guy really pissed me off by not detailing the
> > requirements for his program. Oh, he hinted at
> > what was required but I had to compile the f'n
> > thing 2 dozen times and then track down each error
> > and discover on my own which packages were
> > required. This a-hole wouldn't even respond to my
> > request for help. Here's a quote from his page,
> > "You also have to install the devel packages for
> > the various libraries used by PROGNAME(removed to
> > protect the obtuse individual) (glibc-devel,
> > libjpeg-devel, ...)" Nice list of requirements,
> > eh? "Various libraries," and "..."! What the hell
> > is the big secret? Jesus H! Would it kill this guy
> > to paste the requirements into the README or his
> > webpage or somewhere? There is NO excuse for that!
> >
> > I just shake my head and say, "what an asshole"!
>
> Admittedly, the initiation of the mailing-list and Wiki is a potential
> massive production booster to the picforth project - if it reaches
> critical mass.
>
> == Chris Glur.

>--- Original Message ---
>From: ####@####.####
>Date: 2/9/04 7:36:45 AM
>Firstly, many thanks to the poster of:
>  http://www.picemulator.com/links.html
>which led to:
> JAL compiler
>  is a free, open-source high-level language for PIC chips.
>  It is becomming increasing popular.
>   http://www.voti.nl/jal/

>>This JAL compiler [above] has I nice syntax [unfortunately

>>source is not available]

I've got to update my website links, while JAL was developed
by Wouter van Ooijen (www.voti.nl), it's development is
currently hosted on sourceforge
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/jal/), and the source is
available there.

Bill

On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 06:36, ####@####.#### wrote:
> Someone recently mentioned their 'Ada-like-syntax' project ?

That was probably me.  It's called gpal.  It isn't finished.